Friday, November 17, 2006

PLAYSTATION®3 - Warning! Inconvenience!

Update As most of the people coming to this page seem to be after the same answer I was initially looking for, here it is answered by a kind poster below:

Hold the power button for 5 or more seconds when starting the PS3 and it will reset the system to use the default resolution.

Now this of course does not excuse Sony for this frankly lousy implementation. How can the system not know what cable is plugged in, especially when (with the exception of HDMI) they're special Sony cables with connector interfaces designed exclusively for use with the PS3?! The elaborate cable select screen which has detailed diagrams of each possible cable you could have plugged in was probably intended to be “helpful” but the user should never need to be presented with such a screen.

Nintendo figured it out. If the cable plugged in is a composite or S-video type, then Progressive is greyed out leaving the interlace option selected. If the cable is component or D-Terminal, then the Progressive option becomes selectable. You can only choose possible and meaningful options. This is how it should be.

The other issue that keeps coming up is "why won't my PS3 output PAL?" It won't unless it's a) a debug kit for developers, or b) it was made for release in a PAL region. The latter will not be available until March at current forecast, and the former you can pretty much forget about, so if you only have a PAL TV then DON'T BOTHER GETTING A PS3 YET! WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL RELEASE. Or better still, get an Xbox 360 and Wii combination - it'll cost the same, and you'll thank me for it later!

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Although this is the first time I've mentioned the PS3, it's not like this is the first time I've discovered problems with it. It's simply that my dislike for Sony is such that I'd never stop if I started, so I normally start from the assumption that Sony and their products will be problematic, and only blog when I'm proven wrong. Which is why Sony has yet to mentioned.

Nonetheless, I shall make an exception here with an warning of dire inconvenience to all potential PS3 owners.

For clarification of how things should be done, let's take the scenario that you're in a PAL region, and have PS2 with a game disc that allows 60Hz play. For the unfamiliar, 50Hz (i.e. the screen refreshes 50 times per second) is part of the European PAL standard, but some PAL TVs can also display 60Hz (part of the Japanese and American NTSC standard) which arguably allows smoother animation, and some game discs accommodate these TVs. Invariably, when you put the disc in, it defaults to the PAL 50Hz standard, but asks if you wish to change to try out 60Hz play. If you can't see the picture, it reverts back to the 50Hz without causing any problems. Everybody's happy!

The PS3 of course takes this all into a whole new dimension. Not only can it theoretically handle both PAL (50Hz) and NTSC (60Hz) (untested), it also supports a number of High Definition TV standards that are all completely backwards incompatible, and require separate cables. Now, out of the box, the PS3 is set to NTSC, or PAL as standard depending on your region. If you want to connect it to an HDTV set, the HOME menu is happy to talk you through the process - make sure it's connected via the correct cable, choose a setting (PAL/NTSC, 765P/1125i/P etc.), test, confirm, it's actually more complicated than it could be (after all, there's no reason it shouldn't be able to detect for itself what cable you put in...) but once done it works rather well. The problem comes later.

Let's say that I was behind the times enough to be using an old regular NTSC cathode ray tube based TV like so many people born in the 20th century still are, but for some reason have been futuristic enough to have invested in a PS3. I take it round to a mate's house who has a super 65" full high def plasma display, we connect via HDMI and set the output to hi-def 1080P, and it is glorious! We can really see the sweat on Mario's face as he leaps over that rotting toadstool! That evening, my mate leaves the country forever, and I take my PS3 back home where I switch it back to the regular AV cable and plug it into my NTSC monitor. Hang on?! Why's there no picture? Cables plugged in, check! TV switched on, check! Ah... I remember, I set the output to Hi-Def via the HDMI cable, and now there is NO OTHER OUTPUT AVAILABLE. I could try to bluff my way through the HOME menu to switch it back to NTSC, but it was so damned convoluted that it's hard work doing so when you CAN see it! So not only did Sony lack the foresight to use a system of auto-detection to see what cable is connected (after all, at the PS3 side, all the cables share the same socket, and it would be astoundingly easy to do), they also failed to provide any kind of simple auto-reset, or a constant NTSC output via composite cable (the yellow one).

I'm sure other products such as digital cable boxes share similar faults, but I'm picking on Sony specifically because I don't like them, and I just had to walk all around my company offices several times carrying the 5 kilo beast in one hand and wasted 30 minutes waiting for an HD set to free up just so I could enable the damned thing to work with the industry standard NTSC box on my own desk. Shame on you Sony! Sort it out!

Update Just to add the following taken from the new Playstation website...

Copyright-protected Blu-ray video discs can only be output at 1080p using an HDMI cable connected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) standard.

Your eyes could almost skip right over that, sitting there so innocent at the bottom of the page, looking all common sense and sweet. On the contrary, what this sentence really means is "WE DO NOT TRUST YOU!"

"... can only be output at 1080p using an HDMI cable ...(and a compatible telly)" seems innocuous enough - if you want da higher def, ya gotta get da higher def cables! But look again at the chart. Component cables too are capable of outputting 1080p, so why is it that certain kinds of discs (i.e. all retail movies in the Blu-ray format) will not output at HD definition without you purchasing an [b]expensive cable[/b] (and expensive compatible TV) that utilises a secret encryption protocol in an attempt to [b]prevent people from casually taking high quality digital copies[/b]? The mind boggles. It certainly isn't one of those issues of technology that will sort itself out over time. This is absolutely intentional and here to stay, because as far as they're concerned if you have the ability to even read a disc, then you will steal the movie you already bought! Makes you wonder what you're paying for when you buy these things, because it used to be that being able to play the movie was kind of the reason - and now they've made that impossible without first chaining you to your armchair. What's next? An optional disable on the fast forward function? A watermarking system to prevent you taking video captures of the screen? A system for making your movies completely unwatchable by remote on the off-chance a machine from the same batch gets hacked? Meantime, all the poor sods who invested in the earlier pre-HDMI HDTVs are left out in the rain, as Blu-ray movies played on their new PS3s will look no better than a regular DVD.

Just in case you think I'm exaggerating a bit here, take a look at the Boycott HD-DVD link further up the page. For those that have been following this, none of it is news I'm afraid.

13 comments:

  1. Just so you know, if you experience this again, it is EXTREMELY simple to fix.

    Hold the power button for 5 or more seconds when starting the PS3 and it will reset the system to use the default resolution.

    Why don't people read manuals anymore?

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  2. The debug boxes we've been using the past few months don't come with instructions... :( Cheers for the info. Glad they fixed it, but it won't save them!

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  3. Save them from what? ;)

    BTW are Sony really THAT bad? That much worse than their competitors?

    G

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  4. Save them from what?! From themselves of course! Even if we ignore the rootkit, the exploding batteries, the delays and then the lousy (80,000 units?!?!?!) much much delayed launch of the PS3, then you'll find plenty of evidence that Sony is going under that goes back further even than the last 12 months. Seriously, Sony only cares about number 1. Hang on, scrap that. Sony doesn't even seem to care about number 1. Or perhaps is doing the only decent thing by dying a very rapid death. Back Sony, and you'll wish you hadn't. Really. It's like one of those worst case scenarios that people used to laugh at, that's already surpassed the worst case scenario you were laughing about when it surpassed the original worst case scenario you all laughed at.

    Competitors would have try really hard to be that bad. Hope that helps.

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  5. As usual, Maddox puts it much more eloquently than me...

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  6. Sony may be on the slide, but I doubt they're going under - they'll find a way to muddle on for some time still.

    Although I can't say I have much time for a company that indulges in so much proprietary technology (we have four brands of laptop in our office, all take SD cards bar of course the Vaio), you have to (in a perverse way) admire the gall and resistance to change :P

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  7. You are wrong on both counts of your complaints against Sony... The 5-second reset has already been covered.

    As for Blu-Ray, it is true that it will not output at 1080p on anything other than an HDCP compliant machine, HOWEVER, it will output at 1080i, 720p, and 720i over component and will do 1080p for games over them as well. Last I checked, those still qualify as HD. My PS3 at 1080i over component playing Blu-Ray looks far better than any DVD i have ever seen. The time you spent ranting on about how everyone with an older tv will have only dvd-quality could have been better invested investigating this issue and making accurate claims. 1080p hasn't even been around for that long, so anyone with an older non-hdmi tv would never be able to accept a 1080p signal anyway.

    You just flamed sony for these two bits, and you were flat-out wrong on both. Less knee-jerk emotion, more research :)

    Having said that, if you want to fault them, fault them for this...

    The Ps3 will not output ANYTHING via the HDMI port to a device that is not HDCP compliant. So what? HDMI and HDCP go hand in hand, right? No biggie then. Ahh, but hold on. DVI dates back much further, and there are a plethora of lcd monitors and TVs that are non-HDCP but can recieve a digital signal through the DVI port... just never from the Ps3. People can set-up a component to VGA chain for analog, but they will never get a pure digital signal from a PS3. Not for movies, not for games, not even for the freakin' menu screen. All you get is a black screen to stare at. great.

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  8. Thanks for clarifying with personal experience. It's been my experience when dealing with Sony that it's always better to spread FUD first, and ask questions later, as otherwise people might inadvertently purchase a Sony product when they'd rather have a decent forward thinking product made by a company that doesn't hate them. That being said, the refusal to play 1080p through unprotected cables remains absolutely intentional for the reasons stated. And who's to say that 1080i will still work after the next System Update?! Sony would rather lower the value of your purchase and curtail your overall enjoyment than, well I'm not really sure what they objectively aim to achieve, but whatever it is it's not because they think you aren't a theiving bastard they would rather watch drown in your own poisonous bile than consider when designing a new product, that much is certain.

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  9. Does anyone know if it is possible to play PAL Blue-Ray discs on an NTSC playstation 3? The PAL version won't be released for months in Australia, but I can pick up an American NTSC pretty cheap on E-Bay...

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  10. why not just buy stock in sony? that way you can be happy everytime they figure out another way to separate consumers from money. works for me.

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  11. You said earlyer "So not only did Sony lack the foresight to use a system of auto-detection to see what cable is connected" When actually ive found that if i havnt got my amplifier on then it wont automatically play a CD when i turn the ps3 on, as soon as i turn my amplifir on the CD starts playing automatically as ive set the sound outputs settings to optical. So you see there must be some device inside the ps3 that detects this cable.

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  12. Ironically, the optical cable goes into a separate AV output, which is not a Sony standard. Meaning it only has difficulties identifying its own cables (to the extent it has to draw elaborate pictures on the display settings to help you correctly identify which Sony PS3 cable you have plugged in). It's worse than I thought.

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  13. Hello

    I live in hong kong, and i'm moving back to EU. In EU I have a plasma HDTV. Since my PS3 is NTSC and my plasma is PAL, will i have any issues connecting with HDMI??

    thank u
    regards

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